The Dumbledore-Severus Relationship, Was it Really Loyalty Between Them? - MuggleNet
The relationship of Hermione and Ron is one of the strongest in The 12 Most Toxic Couples In Harry Potter Are The Epitome Of Anti-Relationship Goals . consequences and Severus Snape is the premiere example of that. Severus Snape is a fictional character in J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter series. An exceptionally .. The full relationship between Dumbledore and Snape and the reason for Snape's actions remain unknown until the final book. In an interview. By Sly_Like_Slytherin. Summary: Throughout the entire Harry Potter series, it is said that Severus Snape is loyal to Dumbledore, but is Severus.
Later Harry accidentally falls into Dumbledore's Pensieve and views memories of several Death Eater trials from years before.
At one point, Snape is named as a Death Eater by Igor Karkaroffbut Dumbledore comes to Snape's defence, claiming that although Snape had indeed been a Death Eater, he changed sides before Voldemort's downfall and turned spy against him.
Later, Dumbledore assures Harry that Snape's reformation is genuine, though he refuses to tell Harry how he knows this, saying the information "is a matter between Professor Snape and myself". As proof, Snape willingly shows Fudge the restored Dark Mark on his arm.
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He is subsequently sent on a secret mission by Dumbledore. This mission, as had been implied in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and revealed in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, was to rejoin the Death Eaters and spy on Voldemort as a re-doubled agentwhile pretending to spy on Dumbledore on behalf of Voldemort. With Voldemort having returned to a fully corporeal body, Snape continues working as a re-doubled agent for Dumbledore.
The two trade frequent snide remarks and at one point almost begin a duel. Snape taunts Sirius about the latter's not being able to take an active role in the Order's missions because of his fugitive status. Harry feels later that this taunting contributed to Sirius' willingness to take unsafe risks.
Later in the book, Dumbledore has Snape teach Harry Occlumencythe protection of the mind from outside intrusion or influence. He sees the memory of Snape being bullied by James and Sirius, and of calling Harry's mother Lily a Mudblood a highly offensive term. Towards the end of the novel, Dolores Umbridge — the school's politically appointed headmistress — captures Harry and interrogates him about Dumbledore's whereabouts.
She sends for Snape, demanding that he provide the magical truth serum Veritaserum in order to force Harry to reveal any information he may be hiding. Snape claims that his supplies of the serum have been exhausted after Umbridge tries to use the drug previously on Harry.
It is later revealed that Snape had in fact supplied Umbridge with fake Veritaserum on the prior attempt. Snape then carries Harry's cryptic warning about Sirius' capture to the other Order members, allowing them to come to the rescue in the Department of Mysteries. Narcissa's son Draco has been given a difficult task by Voldemort, and Narcissa swears Snape to an Unbreakable Vow that he will protect Draco, help him complete Voldemort's task, and finish the task himself if Draco fails.
When questioned by Bellatrix about his loyalties, Snape says he has been working for Voldemort ever since Voldemort's return, and explains his actions in the previous books in that light. He points out that gaining Dumbledore's trust and protection has kept him out of Azkaban and free to operate on Voldemort's behalf.
Horace Slughorna former teacher who himself had taught Snape during his Hogwarts years, comes out of retirement and replaces him as Potions Master. With Snape no longer teaching Potions, Harry enrolls in Slughorn's class and is lent an old textbook until his new one arrives.
Harry finds marginaliaincluding a variety of hexes and jinxes seemingly invented by an unknown student, and substantial improvements to the book's standard potion-making instructions. The text is inscribed as being "the Property of the Half-Blood Prince". The notes greatly bolster Harry's performance in Potions, so much so that he impresses Slughorn. Snape, who maintains that he "never had the impression that [he] had been able to teach Potter anything at all", is suspicious of Harry's newfound Potions success.
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Snape rushes to the scene and heals Draco, then interrogates Harry regarding the spell, using Legilimency to extract the source of Harry's knowledge the Potions textbook from Harry's mind. As punishment for the attack and knowing Harry is lying about the textbook, Snape assigns Harry detention during the final Quidditch match of the year.
Despite this and Harry's angry questions, Dumbledore avers his trust in Snape. Returning to Hogwarts after retrieving Voldemort's HorcruxHarry and Dumbledore alight atop the school's astronomy tower. Gravely weakened by the horcrux's protective potion, Dumbledore tells Harry he must fetch Snape, but before Harry can leave, Draco suddenly arrives, intending to carry out Voldemort's order to assassinate Dumbledore, closely followed by other Death Eaters followers of Voldemortand Snape.
Snape interrupts the planned murder, killing the headmaster himself. Enraged, he pursues Snape, Draco, and the Death Eaters as they flee the castle. Snape easily blocks Harry's spells and jeeringly points out Harry's mistakes, but never strikes back.
Snape passes through the school gates and Disapparates with Draco in tow at the book's end. In an interview, Rowling mentioned that at this point in the series, the Harry—Snape relationship has become "as personal, if not more so, than Harry—Voldemort. The novel focuses largely on Harry and his friends and events outside the school; therefore Snape plays a limited role at the start. In the course of the book, Harry and his friends find out that a few students attempted to steal the Sword of Godric Gryffindorand that Snape subsequently sent it to be stored at Gringotts Wizarding Bank ; however, that sword was only a copy.
Later on, Harry and Ron are led to find the real sword by a Patronus taking the form of a doe. Erroneously believing Snape is the master of the Elder Wand and that Snape's death will make him the master of the Wand, Voldemort kills Snape by having his pet snake Nagini bite him through the neck. From these memories, Harry sees Snape's childhood and learns his true loyalties.
In this vision, Harry learns that Snape befriended Lily as a child when they lived near each other. They remained friends for the next few years until they were driven apart by Snape's interest in the Dark Arts; the friendship finally ended following the bullying episode that Harry had briefly seen in the fifth book, in which Snape calls Lily "Mudblood".
Despite this separation and Snape's enduring animosity toward Lily's eventual husband James Potter, Snape continued to love Lily for the rest of his life. The memories also show that as a Death Eater, Snape had revealed to Voldemort a prophecy made by Sybill Trelawneycausing Voldemort to attempt to prevent it by killing Harry and his parents. Snape, who had not realised until too late that the prophecy was referring to Lily and her family, asked Voldemort to spare Lily.
Still in terror for her life, he also approached Dumbledore, admitted his actions, and begged him to protect the Potters. Dumbledore chided him for thinking only of himself and not of Lily's husband and child, but agreed and ensured that they were placed under the Fidelius Charm.
In return, Snape secretly allied himself with Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix as a double agent against Voldemort, using his powers of Occlumency to hide his betrayal from Voldemort.
However, Snape demanded of Dumbledore that his love for Lily his reason for switching sides be kept a secret, especially from Harry, because of the deep animosity he felt towards Harry's father and his mixed feelings towards Harry who reminded him of both his love for Lily Potter and her death, and his animosity towards James Potter. Dumbledore agreed and kept the secret throughout his life, although questioning Snape's request to "never reveal the best of you".
Even with his efforts to protect her, Snape felt responsible for Lily's death at Voldemort's hands. Snape's memories then reveal that Dumbledore had impetuously tried to use the Gaunt ringwhich had been cursed by Voldemort, and had been suffering from a powerful curse. Snape's knowledge of the Dark Arts enabled him to slow the spread of the curse from Dumbledore's hand through his body, but he would have died within a year.
Dumbledore, aware that Voldemort had ordered Draco to kill him, had asked Snape to kill him instead as a way of sparing the boy's soul and of preventing his own otherwise slow, painful death.
Snape's memories also provide Harry with the information he needs to ensure Voldemort's final defeat, in the form of conversations Snape had with Dumbledore. She adds, however, that she would like to think Harry made Snape's true loyalty and heroism known in the Wizarding world, and that he lobbied to ensure that a portrait be installed in the office. As Albus is about to enter his first year at Hogwarts, he expresses concern that he will be sorted into Slytherin.
Harry tells his son, "you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them [Snape] was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew. He finds that in this reality Snape is still alive and still teaches at Hogwarts, and asks for his help. At first Snape is suspicious of him, since this timeline's version of Scorpius is a bully and a Voldemort stalwart.
But when Scorpius shows that he knows of Snape having been in love with Lily, Harry's mother — Snape's most closely guarded secret — Snape becomes convinced that he does indeed come from a different timeline where Harry and his friends won.
Snape then reveals that he, together with the fugitive Ron and Hermione Grangermaintain the last remnants of Dumbledore's Army — still waging hopeless resistance against the all-powerful Voldemort. In talking with Scorpius, Snape had learned that Harry would name his son "Albus Severus" and would regard Snape as "probably the bravest man I ever knew" — and is deeply moved.
I always laugh when the best retort someone can come up with has to do with sex somehow. It's kind of pathetic, especially since you know nothing about me. Kinda random, like a last resort. Syren Aqua-pimp Yeah dead and mutilation are the most normal things in a childrens book. The Harry Potter books are famed because with every new book they bring in aspecs a mature adience is familair with and in many countries the've evolved so far that there not holding there assses and light on the torches every time they hear the word gay witch means there familair with it England where Jk lives being one of them You're point being?
So i'f my theorie is crap why do you border debating my crap? Do you just love my crap or are you just afraid my crap could be true. Who said anything about sex? I sure didn't the thread stated id Dumbledore and Severus Snape had a relationship not are Dumbledore and Snape gonna have a gay sex scene in Harry Potter and the deadly Hollows a la Broke Back mountain. Why the hell are you being off topic fantasizing about a gay sex scene dude Didn't you read the thread??
Why are you fantasizing about a gay sex scene that wasn't my intend when i created this thread. So gues that means you're the pathetic one And i don't know you but uhm. Aqua-pimp Well it could be. I mean it was never stated in any of the other books that he had a wife or was heterosexuel.
JK killed Dumbledore in book six i really didn't saw that coming and in the end it brought in more money controversy and fans and making Dumbledore turn out gay would cause a similar if not greater effect. DarkC Originally posted by Aqua-pimp Yeah dead and mutilation are the most normal things in a childrens book. It's true, they bring newer concepts and realities into the children's world.
While death and multilation are familiar in children's books, none convey the tragedy of it as much as Rowling does in her Potter books. However, bringing in an oblique and controversial subject matter such as homosexuality for example, or racism into the Potter books is much more dangerous to incorporate into a childrens' book. Do you see those justified for a good reason in any "children'"s books?
Your argument is moot. Even if England and the world is familiar with it, it would be a stupid idea to insert into every aspect of everyday life there is. Oh, because someone "loves" your crap means that they'll oppose you about it every time you throw a moronic point out into the blue. That's the stupidest logic I've ever seen. No, I just feel very strongly against your idea and I happen to like a good debate.
Because hey, it'll never, ever happen. Whether sexuality is involved in your so called couple doesn't have relevance to the actual subject itself. You really pulled that point out of your ass, didn't you? Sex or not, homosexuality as a topic is still homosexuality. I personally challenge you to find any point in his statement where he seriously indicated that he was fantasizing about said sex scene. And JK may have set some hints about a relationship, but not a homosexual one and certainly not between Dumbledore and Snape.
Stick to the subject, not to pathetically attempting to make yourself look good by giving the scapegoat tag to someone else. If you take his inherent trust in Snape and slap it as "love", then you're more delusional than I thought. Read book five and six again. DarkC Originally posted by Aqua-pimp Again who said anything about sex??!!
This is supposed to be a debate, my shortsighted impudent friend. And yet, here you are throwing completely off-topic insults about others who oppose your sense of view like a foolish little child throwing toy bowling pins at the neighbour. No no no, it's you who's pathetic. Not only do you accuse him of being gay and an extremely perverted one at that, which was entirely uncalled for, you did it to me as well.
Tell me, is that the only comeback you can muster? Take an originality pill for once. Not once have you given back a true and clearly expressed point, with backing arguments to be debated.
You're just slinging barbs around, that's what you're doing. Oh, and stop making childish little assumptions about his own sex life as well. That's his business and none of yours. Kindly mind your own bloody business, thank you very much. DarkC Originally posted by Aqua-pimp Well it could be. And neither it was stated in any of the books that he had a husband or was homosexual.
So why are you assuming above, especially when it has almost no real concrete backup? Seems premature to me. It's far too controversial a topic, having Dumbledore die caused enough uproar. And no you think she'll honestly ship him up there with Snape? Death is one thing, finding out that the greatest wizard in the Potter series was gay is another. Learn to distinguish the two. A lot of people like surprises, that's true.
But there's different kinds. The reaction after being X or Y or so on. Death, hey that's normal even in the world of a child. They don't, however, have to find out that Dumbledore was in love with Snape. It's just too dangerous a topic to bring into a child's world. You love her as a writer because she kills people off and hits us where we expect it least?
That's not what I value in her as an author. I value her ingenuity and talent for creating a world that is unreal, yet still keenly imaginable. If you want suspense and being caught off guard, go read Jeffery Deaver. Gravitation Oo You pretty much summed it all up DarkC. I personally still think snape is a good guy and was only forced to kill Dumbledore to 1 protect Harry 2 protect himself and draco becuase of the unbreakable vow.
Gravitation Originally posted by dirkdirden Dumbledore trusted snape for many reasons, but the main reason was to use him as a spy. But I think Dumbledore was also like a guardian to Snape.
Voldermorts life goal isn't purifing the magical world of mudbloods and he's definitly not down with pure blood supremacy. Yeah that Voldemort guy is all abourt hugs and kisses isn't he? Question did you've ever actualy read a Harry Potter book? I'f it's so moronic why couldn't you give me a good reason why it's moronic?
And how do you know it'll never happen or did you've already read book And for the record it's youre problem i'f you feel strongly against my idea i like a good debate myself unfortunatly you're not really good in that I sooo agree on that it really has no relevance So why are you fantasizing about two men kissing?
That was you riight I'm serieusly pissing my pants right now you're a funny guy but i ain't mad at ya you can go fantasize about kissing men all you want it's the internet you're girlfriend isn't gonna know about it Do you even have a girlfriend.
Stick to the subject???? So why don't you listen to you're own advice. I just said the word gay and you're fantasizing about two men having sex??
The greatest wizard of the world was gay so what? Because you like seing gay men kissing hey girlfriend Sorry but when i'm reading a book like Harry Potter i like being got off guard i like surprises instead of constaly knowing what's gonna happen gues that would become really boring. Barker Originally posted by Aqua-pimp Again who said anything about sex??!! Masturbation is a form of sex. It's self-sex, but sex none the less. And no, I'm not gay.
But again, it's kind of pathetic that the best you can come up with is that, especially since you know nothing about me. Calling someone gay is the lamest comeback possible. And no i don't know anything about you No, you're not quite getting it. That's a cleverly disguised form of racism. We both know that the definition of a Mudblood is someone with heritage of Muggle ancestry. The thing about it is, do you see racism as we know it in our world? Anything about whites vs blacks?
None, zip and zilch. She teaches the general concept, yet not encourage kids to go running around sowing anti-Black sentiments. However, what you suggested is much more direct.
There's no disguising homosexuality, it is what it is and it's stagnant. It's not exactly something that you can sugar up. What kind of impact do you think having one of their greatest Magical heroes as a homosexual will have on very young readers? What kind of trouble do you think she'll get into with Bloomsbury for pulling off that kind of stunt?
Think about it, if his death caused a huge uproar, finding out he's gay will be like a firestorm in midsummer. You're accusing me of not providing the facts. Oh, that's a good one. As far as I know, I have backed up my statements and claims and have provided reasonable arguments. You keep blustering on about how "It'slet's all go and insert homosexuality in any type of media we can get our hands on"!
Nor is it up to me. It's up to the onlookers. And it looks like I've garnered more support than you have. How many supporters do you have? Okay, let's get some things straight. You're for use of homosexuality, I'm strongly not.
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Every time I've tried to dismiss the subject, you've brought it back for some odd reason. You're just blustering again. And I'm perfectly straight, thank you very much. And yet you somehow get the idea that I, not you, enjoy watching men kissing. Your logic is absolutely nonexistant.